Diskusjon:Island/Arkiv1

Økonomien på Island

"Økonomien på Island var ustabil fram til midten av 90-tallet med høg inflasjon, arbeidsledighet og en valuta som stadig måtte devalueres. Situasjonen er mye bedre nå og regjeringen gjennomfører en «modernisering» av økonomien med privatiseringer, avreguleringer og nedbygging av offentlig sektor. Moderniseringen har også nådd finansnæringen der islandske banker og finansselskaper har vært meget dristige, dyktige og aggressive på verdens finansmarkeder."

Artikkelen burde bestå av informasjon om Island, ikke lovsanger om privatisering og islandske finansselskapers dristighet og aggresjon.

700-tallet

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Island upptäcktes sannolikt redan på 700-talet av iriska eremiter, paper, vilka hade tillfälliga bosättningar där. Dessa var dock borta när, i mitten av 800-talet, en färing som hette Naddodd och en svensk vid namn Gardar Svavarsson, son till Svavar den svenske som ägde gods på Själland, på nytt upptäckte Island. Gardar uppges varit den som först nådde den isländska ostkusten, seglat runt ön, övervintrat och sommaren därefter vid ankomsten till Norge prisat ön: "härefter blev landet kallat Gardarsholm, och det var på den tiden skogbevuxet mellan fjäll och strand".— Dette usignerte innlegget ble skrevet av http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spesial:Bidrag/81.227.117.61 (diskusjon · bidrag) (Husk å signere dine innlegg!)

Navn

Her fjernet Cessator (diskusjon · bidrag) formene Republikken Island og Lýðveldið Ísland som formelle navn, med henvisning til visindavefur.is. Den oppgitte nettsiden ser ut til å støtte endringen, men jeg er likevel skeptisk. Norsk UD oppgir disse to formene som offisielle, og også Språkrådet angir «Republikken Island». Jeg tilbakestilte derfor Cessators endring. --Kjetil_r 11. jan 2010 kl. 19:17 (CET)

The following is in English because I am c/p-ing it from a user page in another language (and, anyway, my Norwegian isn't very good): Right, so I understand why you'd follow a list like this one. However, it is simply incorrect that the official name of the country is "Lýðveldið Ísland" (or in Norwegian "Republikken Island"). The word, "Lýðveldið" ("Republikken"), when it is used, is used only descriptively and is not part of the official name of the country. This is a common misunderstanding, even among Icelanders! If you can read Icelandic, you can read about it here: http://www.visindavefur.is/svar.php?id=54970 . Its source is a letter from the Office of the Prime Minister of Iceland, where an inquiry regarding the official name of the country was made in 2004. If you like, you can ask in English (or Norwegain perhaps) at http://www.why.is (the English version of the website I linked to above) and I'm sure you will have an answer before long. Now, I don't know who was consulted when your list was put together, but I'll take a letter from the Office of the Prime Minister responding to an inquiry by a professor at the Arni Magnússon Institute regarding the official name of the country over whoever was the source for the information on the list. Wouldn't you? Best, Cessator 11. jan 2010 kl. 19:33 (CET)

Also, although I am not aware that the country as such has an official website, the government does have a website: http://www.stjornarrad.is/ where it says Stjórnarráð Íslands (The Icelandic Government), but it does not say "Stjórnarráð Lýðveldisins Íslands". Moreover, if this were the official name of the country you might expect to find something about it in the constitution, but as the website I gave as my source points out, there is nothing about the supposed offical name in the constitution, there is only the heading, where "lýðveldið" is not spelled with a capital letter as it would have to be if it were part of a proper name. Now, I'm sure you understand that it is hard to prove a negative, but I submit that this evidence is stronger than the lists to which Kjetil r refers above. Cessator 11. jan 2010 kl. 22:22 (CET)

I'm not too sure about how wise it is to change the article just because of this link, especially as long as the Norwegian ministry of foreign affairs and the Norwegian language council both specifies the Norwegian equivalent of «The Republic of Iceland» as the official form in Norwegian. I notice that you have made the same change in at least six Wikipedia editions, I suggest that we wait and see what is done on the other, larger editions. The discussion at de:Benutzer Diskussion:Cessator seems particularly interresting. Regards, --Kjetil_r 12. jan 2010 kl. 00:03 (CET)

Well it is precisely the correctness of the information available from such sources as the Norwegian ministry of foreign affairs and the Norwegian language council that is being disputed and the evidence that is being marshalled against them is a letter from the Office of the Prime Minister of Iceland concerning the issue of the official name of the country. Therefore, citing the Norwegian ministry of foreign affairs and the Norwegian language council as opposing evidence is moot since that begs the question. But you're right, there is no hurry; we can take our time. Cessator 12. jan 2010 kl. 00:10 (CET)

The World Factbook uses «Republic of Iceland». Store Norske Leksikon uses «Lýðveldið Ísland»/«Republikken Island». Caplex uses «Lýðveldið Ísland». Britannica uses «Lýdhveldidh Ísland (Republic of Iceland)». There is a lot of evidence suggesting that «Republikken Island» is the correct form. --Kjetil_r 12. jan 2010 kl. 00:18 (CET)

That hardly weighs more than an official response from the Office of the Prime Minister of Iceland. I mean, who else would have authority to settle the question? Certainly not the publishers of foreign lexica... Cessator 12. jan 2010 kl. 01:42 (CET)

I might also mention that my passport has the name of the country in three languages on the front thus: Ísland, Iceland, Islande [commas provided by me]. The same on p. 1 and the same on the laminated p. 5 which has the magnetic strip. Nowhere in the passport does it say "Lýðveldið Ísland", not even once. --Cessator 12. jan 2010 kl. 01:59 (CET)

And the United Nations used "The Republic of Iceland" when they granted Iceland membership (General Assembly resolution, Security Council resolution). See also en:Wikipedia:Verifiability, which states that "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true." When an abundance of reliable sources (Norwegian encyclopedias, British encyclopedias, the United Nations, U.S. authorities, the Norwegian language committee) all use "The Republic of", so should Wikipedia. --Kjetil_r 12. jan 2010 kl. 10:19 (CET)

You make it sound as if this is a matter of "truth vs. verifiability" but it isn't: behold the evidence -- I didn't make an unsourced claim. Now, as to whether your sources are reliable, that is precisely what is cast in doubt! I am saying that there is widespread misunderstanding; now, what kind of source could be authoritative enough to settle the matter? I'm claiming that the Icelandic government is such an authoritative source; you appear to be claiming that a certain number of lexica are. But that is an absurd contention, as if any number of reference works could be more authoritative than the Icelandic government's ipsissima verba. This isn't a matter of "truth vs. verifiability", this is a matter of contradicting sources, which means you have to evaluate the sources and their credibility, and Kjetil, as soon as you agree that the Icelandic government itself has more credibility on this particular issue than a bunch of reference works, then you've conceded the whole argument. Cessator 12. jan 2010 kl. 14:57 (CET)

Nothing is happening on the larger Wikipedias, where I made the same changes. Also, no new arguments have been advanced (and older ones remain unanswered). I guess I can change it back soon, unless there are further objections or new arguments. Cessator 16. jan 2010 kl. 18:33 (CET)

Reverted. I now found the UN's official list of country names[1], and that list used «Republic of». Your single source does not trump the abundance of reliable sources that I have provided. I'm also reinstating the «Republic of» name in en.wikipedia, citing some of the reliable sources i have mentioned here. Kjetil_r 17. feb 2010 kl. 16:03 (CET)

Right, so the UN can tell the government of Iceland what the real name of the country is. Cool. That makes sense. The Icelandic government claims that the official name of the country does not include "Republic of", but the UN, according to you, is a more reliable source especially since it is supported by a number of encyclopedias. I admire your skills in source critique. Cessator 18. feb 2010 kl. 05:44 (CET)

In light of the discussion and consensus on en.wiki I have reverted back. Feel free to adopt the footnote that currently explains the matter on the English page. Cessator 22. feb 2010 kl. 03:48 (CET)

Kultur?

Det eneste som står under tittelen Kultur er en fotballklubb. Her må vi nok utvide. Finn Bjørklid 12. jan 2010 kl. 02:39 (CET)

Dansk styre

Norge var vel strengt tatt ikke under dansk styre fra 1397, men fra 1536. — Dette usignerte innlegget ble skrevet av LastHistory (diskusjon · bidrag) 21. jan 2010 kl. 18:42 (CET) (Husk å signere dine innlegg!)